When one goes through all available routes to argue their point and is shot down at each turn perhaps it is time to admit that their opinion is not necessarily the correct one.
Wanting liberty is not a correct point?
— Ryan P 
You lead the charge! I’ll be right behind you! Er, I think.
Kerner: That’s a complete load of crap.
Assuming everyone’s a criminal has two main outcomes: either you’ll be massively wrong and put people through a lot of bullshit for nothing, or you’ll turn out to be right, but now everyone’s a criminal. Thanks.
— Jesper
How does the Individual keep their Liberty, when so many of the People are running so fast to give it up?
When You reach for the ammo box (and in the end You will have to, or just give up….) be prepared to be use it….. and if you use it, You become The Lone Gunman; The Crazed Killer; The Anti-Libertarian; The Terrorist….. Look closer at those who do take this step….. The Rulers (and Whatever-Fascists) have been trying to crush the Idea of Individual Liberty since It first drew breath…. They are close to succeeding.
I’d give the cycle another go around because breaking the cycle of fear is difficult. Even shampoo says rinse and repeat.
— Anonymous
I am eager to lead the charge against the IRS and the socialists. But I think we will need a few more years before everyone wants to join in. Maybe after Obama turns SS into welfare and ruins healthcare more will be willing.
— Anonymous
Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.
@ Anonymous
No IRS = no Army. I would like that… but it would be easier to attack the US.
— Anonymous
“Even shampoo says rinse and repeat.”
Unfortunately, this doesn’t actually do anything. It was put on shampoo bottles in an attempt to sell more shampoo.
— Anonymous
Anonymous cowards also deserve neither security nor liberty.
how about the empty box, of disappearance.
— Anonymous
It’s not true that the jury and ballot boxes have been heard from in full.
(1) The incoming wave of (prospective) freshmen Democratic Congressmen/women generally have anti-FISA-extension and anti-Iraq-war planks. The new Congress will be more progressive than the current one. There would have been probably 20 more votes against the extension, but more importantly, much less ability for the leadership to ram their capitulation through. The Senate will continue to be a problem, unfortunately, but the House alone can control legislation if the leadership chooses to do so.
(2) Bloggers are mobilizing across the political spectrum to defend the US Constitution (the actual one, the one containing the Bill of Rights, not the secret Republican one that contains all the verbiage about Jesus, Communism, and requisite xenophobia).
At a time when Americans are being urged to put their faith in government, we must not forget the wisdom of the Founding Fathers. John Adams wrote in 1772: “There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty.” Thomas Jefferson wrote in 1799, “Free government is founded in jealousy, not confidence…. Let no more be heard of confidence in men, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitutions.”
– http://www.fff.org/comment/ed1001a.asp
Regarding anonymity: sit on it, “Jemaleddin.”
— Anonymous
Why not “think outside the box?”
— Anonymous
No IRS = no Army.
Hogwash. The income tax is around 1/3 of Federal income. The military budget is bloated with “peacekeeping” and “nation building” and hundreds of bases in hundreds of countries. A strong national defense could be had for much less than we’re spending and without having to dip into people’s income for it.
Regarding the four boxes, I think the jury box still has some mileage left. I think there’s plenty of room for a 4th Amendment challenge to this warrantless wiretapping with a side of immunity bull crap. Take it all the way to the SCOTUS. If that doesn’t work, yeah, it may be time to fertilize the tree of liberty with its natural manure.
Jury nullification is mostly dead in the real world. Judges and prosecutors will not stand for it and do everything they can to prevent it.
A shame, because it was an excellent bulwark against tyranny, once upon a time
— https://me.yahoo.com/a/J0sM0B5hl_ypkOuarOq4lK1i_mzg8_rHSo575vZw#65a7f
Oh. My. God! Is this really happening?
I’m not sure where Mark Jaquith gets his numbers. Maybe he lives in a different country. In the U.S., individual income tax accounts for about 45% of federal receipts; adding corporate income tax brings the total to nearly 60%. Social security and insurance payments are another 34%, which are also paid in good part by individuals based on their income. In other words, taxes on income, in some form or another, make up almost 95% of the U.S. federal receipts.
— Anonymous
There’s a fifth box that should be added to your list: pine — it’s the inevitable result of what happens after people start reaching for the ammo. But it’s also true that it may be preferable to living under tyranny.
— Anonymous
Anonymous is quite right. The inevitable box.
— Anonymous
Those who sacrifice liberty for security will, eventually, have neither.
— Anonymous
I like how the Anonymous Coward above put my name in quotation marks like it was some kind of alias. But regardless: nice rebuttal.
There are some good reasons not to use the fourth box:
http://www.marxists.org/archive/draper/1972/01/cops.htm
(And, yes, it may seem somewhat strange to refer to a website called marxists.org when talking about liberty)
— Anonymous